If you can take me into the one that actually changed the way that you looked at being alive.

Yeah.

The first real dance with death, I might say, is officer golf shooting.

It's a story I've told before on other podcasts on my own.

But the Reader's Digest version was I was working canine, tracking canine capacity.

I got called in because one of my partners had tried to stop what looked like a hand-to-hand.

He got assaulted.

So how important is it to have people in your corner when life gets difficult? And what's the difference between somebody who will hang out with you, but someone will hold your feet to the fire when you're fucking up?

I've heard people in public and private organizations, which is why it's fun to bring to this, is man, it's like, man, the internal politics is sometimes I just want to be back out on the street and be working with people and that fulfills my cup.

Yeah, that's a great question.

And there's different layers I'm going to try to pick at them.

The transition to focus outwardly felt very natural for me.

So I was a sergeant and 2020, I was in the community relations kind of like long term problem solving unit.

And a lot of departments have some variety.

variation of that this is called the neighborhood response team and business owners were at wit's end crime was all out of the you know out of control it felt um you know we couldn't book because of covid right and so a lot of specific challenges um so at that point because because of station in life and career i felt very comfortable going out and not playing defense and saying, yeah, that's really frustrating.

What were some of those darkest moments you experienced? Do you mind describing how you made it up out into the light, if you will? Because I'm sure there's a lot of other people who are listening to this who've been in similar situations or are going through that similar situation right now.