Is that right?

Correct.

That's my job.

Both pediatric ophthalmologists and neuro-ophthalmologists have a bag of tricks that we use to try to explain if there are abnormal eye movements or abnormal eye orientations, if you will, that are causing the problem that's the basis of the patient's complaint.

A lot of times it's not.

You know, there are very simple tricks that we use and the things I use to test the eye are the same things I use therapeutically.

So, you know, for example, I might have, I might take my watch on a fob and swing it like a pendulum very slowly and ask the patient to follow it.

Can you describe to us what vision complaints make you think orthostatic physiology first? So POTS,

Or when should an EDS patient see a neuro-ophthalmologist?

Almost never.

I love them when they come.

They're wonderful people.

But I feel bad because many of them are sent to me from wonderful, caring providers who said, hey, you have a pair of eyes and you have EDS.

You better get your eyes checked.

And unfortunately or fortunately, it's really not like that.

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