So thank you and good morning.

Good morning.

Thank you so much.

Boy, I don't think I could say it better than I said it before and he just said it back to me.

So then I'm going to jump right into the mindset of the process of why we have our two guests on today.

And I'm just super honored to be around them again.

And if I can... go back into the Wayback Machine of when I was thinking about this problem and then how to practically make a change.

So, I mean, where did that come from, Chief? That in 2011, you were asking people to look at themselves and start developing their soft skills.

So it doesn't matter how curious you are, that Dunning Kruger is still there, because the less you know, the more you overestimate your And that's just a hard mountain to overcome in a bubble.

It is.

You're not going to invent calculus by yourself, right? Yes.

You're going to want to use it, right? Right.

But that's an example.

And if you go back and you look at every person we put on a pedestal as being a breakaway genius, like the example I just used, Newton, or even the cliche of Einstein, and you dig into those people's histories, you realize they weren't geniuses either.

They...

The person below controls that relationship.

Can you say a little bit more about that?

Yeah.

So we, we've been studying firefighter deaths for a long time.

Um, every time a firefighter dies in a fire the incident gets investigated.

There is a government entity that comes and investigates all of these deaths, and we see the results.

And what we see are some persistent trends.

We call them the NIOSH 5.

Okay.