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Eric Ruggles

Director of Engineering at Ritchie Engineering Co. (YELLOW JACKET), an HVAC/R tools maker; expert guest on refrigerant safety and HVAC diagnostics.

Sep 14, 2026

11:02
What, what are your thoughts on the whole A3 thing in general, like using A3s as a refrigerant?
11:08
Yeah.
11:08
I think there's definitely both sides, right? The risk to the technician, the risk to those nearby systems that could have concerns, but I think the industry's responding to that pretty significantly with adding required sensors, required leak indication, you know, flame sensors and, and mitigation processes to these systems, especially as they continue to grow and get larger.
11:26
Uh, the big thing I've seen, especially in the global market, is there's larger systems and of A3s, but a lot of the systems themselves that would contain the A3 is, is outside the building, and then they use like a water loop or what I call loop to transfer the heat into the building, so trying to make it a safer environment.
11:41
Now, it's still a risk for the technician because they're the ones that have to deal with it if there is a leak, if there is a problem in the system.
11:46
They have to make sure that we're safely handling any concerns when it comes to, you know, dealing with the actual flammable refrigerant.
11:53
But the systems themselves, they're adding safeties and, and mitigation issues if there were to be a leak or, or flame propagation inside the unit itself.
13:05
What are some of the requirements that had to be changed for an A2L refrigerant when we're pulling a vacuum?
3:23
What are your thoughts on that?
3:24
When it comes to A2Ls, ventilation is key.
3:26
If you have ventilation, if you have airflow, if you're out in the open, flammability risk is very low.
3:31
If you aren't, if you're contained in a inside space where it doesn't have ventilation, then yes, you need to be very cautious because it is flammable.
3:39
Just the propagation rate of the flame is slow, and that's why it's considered A2L.
3:44
It will only burn so fast, whereas A3s, a combustible gas, will explode or burn up the whole stream of gas very quickly.
3:52
A2L's propagation takes longer.

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13:53
So is this one of the ones where you got to remove the O-ring or can this fit on without the O-ring?
6:57
So give me your, your take on that, Eric.
7:00
Yeah, I would say I'm, I'm not 50 years older running the industry for 30 years or anything like that.
7:06
I'm, I'm, I'm in my late 30s.
7:07
I think technology's advancing day by day, and we've come a long ways and things are gonna do it for us.
7:12
But I think, like you mentioned, I think probes are probably the way long term because they're easy and you're not taking refrigerant out of the system.
7:19
You don't introduce other things.
7:20
Now, the advantage of a manifold, whether it be digital or not, is that it's kind of a all-in-one tool, right? You can kinda get a sense of the refrigeration system from one device.
11:11
So-

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