Is that what you're saying?

Um, well, I don't know if it's any technology that can sell into a data center 'cause it feels like a lot of companies have shifted toward positioning themselves as we can also address a data center.

Uh, so an example of that would be, like, a lot of hydrogen companies, because the hydrogen market, uh, kinda dried up on the investment side, a lot of the hydrogen companies, this might've been about a year, year and a half ago, started positioning themselves as, "Oh, we can also power data centers," or, "We can pow- we are powering data centers." Uh, but The reality is it's, they, a lot of, at least there's a segment of that green hydrogen at least would need a really low energy price in order to make that work in any sort of scale, and that's part of the, the issue, uh, anyway.

But, uh, being that you need low energy prices, uh, you'd still need a power plant or something in order to power them that would have to be there.

So it's not the, the most obvious, to me at least, not the most obvious power source for a data center, but they're positioning themselves as that.

But yeah, but data centers are, are an important customer now because they can be higher paying, uh, than others.

They, they have a real need.

So what did your experience in energy and commodities trading teach you that maybe a Silicon Valley investor might not know?

Uh, [laughs] talk about shoot around, because you, you kinda knew something was coming, right?

Well, during shoot around, you know, I got there early.

Um, it's called bench warmers, you know.

Um, you know, I watch all the guys warm up, and during warmups Tyler was shooting around and he was knocking down everything.

Um, maybe h- I think I witnessed him hit 15 threes in a row.

He looked good, and then at some point he, he was speaking with, you know, with Coach Quinn and a couple of the other guys.

He said, uh, "I, I don't think I'm gonna play tonight." And I said...

Uh, so tell people, uh, how you got good at your job and how they can find you.