So what's your memory of Marty?

Marty, I'm sitting here today because of Marty.

And he basically discovered me as an artist.

I entered Imagineering as a concept designer.

I left as a painter.

I wasn't a painter before Imagineering.

So I thank him for that.

energy.

How does this project start to come together in terms of the ideation and the two of you sort of joining forces to put this together, which is really something you guys did really on your own?

Yeah, Bob and I... have continued to work together even after Imagineering years.

And we worked for other companies and did concept work.

And he's kind of taken me under his, wherever he goes, I go.

So Gensler, architect, et cetera.

I mean, different places.

We've done work around the world.

well i think that's the thing about progress today that has always fascinated people is that it like you said earlier it is one of walt's unfinished projects i think that that is it makes us so very curious so was the idea for the book when you first started the project to imagine what walt's vision would look like if it was finished or with the idea of Progress City and what it could become today?