What did you take from Lloyd? Like, what are some of those influences that maybe you still carry with you to st- something like the Strange Thing series?

Oh, yeah.

Honestly, it's funny that you bring it up, because, um, I don't think about it on a daily basis, but it's, it's been a big part of my life, you know, um, working there and the things I learned from there.

I mean, one of the things, it's...

This is probably...

I don't know if this is, like, the right story for this, but, um, he, he taught me the value of bringing a pen and a notebook to every meeting, 'cause I came to this meeting with him.

He's like called me into his office, and he's like, "Where's your pen and notebook? How are you gonna remember what I'm telling you right now? Go back and get it," you know? And so, um, s- that, that was really valuable.

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