Willingly turn deny.

Right.

And so he, I, I wrote some cartoons that were very, Cardinal Lowe is very hostile towards, um, uh, HIV support and education work in Boston.

Um, and so the gay community, including myself, you know, I mean, it was the middle of a crisis and, and the Catholic church was, uh, In Boston, which, of course, the Catholic Church is very important in Boston.

Anyway, I wrote a series of cartoons kind of lampooning him.

And Barney liked those.

And somebody introduced me to him at some point, and he said, you know, if you ever need a job, I think I can tell you can write.

Would you say that, even though I know you said the politics and working in politics was sort of not necessarily your initial priority, does politics something that you still, like after you left working for Barney, is it still something that you are drawn to? Totally.