Did you know back then – oh yeah did you know back then that uh no that you were going to be with the company for as long as you've been

it was not on my plan so as a kid growing up on a farm and i still today live on the farm i grew up grew up on as a kid i had an art background that was confusing and i had a music background that was equally as confusing and i was thinking okay i'm living on a farm i know this life I've seen all of those like way back.

Do you remember there was these TV commercials for at the Marriott by the airport, the starving artist sale.

And I remember you'd see on these commercials, here's these really good looking pieces of art.

And I'm like, well, that looks great.

And they can't make a living doing that.

So art can't be a path.

Well, it was