So tell me a little bit about, uh, your pathway.

You're, you're absolutely right.

It, it was one of those topics that always kinda...

You know, I, I came up against the edge of it in my presenting and speaking, but you're exactly right.

It was through some of my own work, some of my own wanting to be better at it, that I really took a deep dive into emotional intelligence, and now bring it into e- every course, every keynote I do, every workshop, whether it's virtual or in person.

It seems to enter that discussion.

And sometimes I don't even bring it up.

Right.