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Yeah, I mean, i- it's, it's a sh- it's a shock to the system, for sure.

A- and, and I think, you know, what's crazy is, is when you're playing the game, you, you know this day's coming, right? I mean, you always kind of feel like you're on borrowed time.

Almost every day you suit up, you're like, "I'm one snap away from a broken leg or a neck injury or whatever it is, and my career's done.

I'm gonna have to go enter the real world," you know? And for most of us, you know, that's why we go to college and that's why we get our degrees, and that we do have ideas and hopes and dreams and, and a plan after football.

Uh, the problem is, it's just, it's almost like, I don't want to say, PTSD's not the right word, but it, it's just like you just get so ingra- this routine gets so ingrained in just your, your psyche and your body and just, you know, the waking up, going to film, going to practice, studying tape, playing games, hanging out with your, your buddies, you know, in the locker room.

And then just one day it's, it just ends, and you just, everything you did since you were a kid.

W- what advice would you have to the young person that's, n- you know, wants to be Eric Heitmann? They want to have a pro NFL career and play a decade in the league, and what, what advice would you have for them so that they can transition smoothly out of the game?