Okay.

Okay? That's how he met Alan Hynek.

And he talked about that at Contact in the Desert when he had a discussion panel with the Hynek kids- Yeah ... all middle, all elderly.

You know- I, I missed it unfortunately, but yeah.

Oh, boy.

Yeah.

So, uh, he went through the whole history of Hynek's life, then he got to where he entered Hynek's life- Mm-hmm ... and how they got together and worked on the Project Blue Book stuff during the '60s.

Hmm.

So of all the things you've just discussed there, high level, what are you most certain of that not only is this real, but this is the most provable aspect of this whole phenomenon?

Oh, the most evidence that I've seen is a combination of two things.

It's the classified evidence that I've seen because I hold, uh, security clearances and, um, and I had need-to-know to access those programs, um, and, uh, uh, access that information, uh, access the individuals in the leadership roles that they played in the UAP crash retrieval programs and interview them.

And, um, s- uh, some retired, some were active duty and then later retired.

So that evidence comes from official classified briefings that I've received, uh, during the AAWSAP.

That's the AAWSAP.

I'll, I'll go ahead and shorten it down that way.

Don't worry.

What do you think of what's just come out that there's gonna be a lifting of the NDAs of, of people like you by, um, the president and other commissions?

You have the counterintelligence gatekeepers.

Their job is to protect those government secrets.

And in their role, they don't want these secrets exposed because that's not their philosophy.

Remember, their philosophy is not disclosure.

Disclosure is a social thing.

It's a cultural thing that's going on.

Yeah.

... what can you share with the audience what we actually may have as far as non-human craft and biologics are concerned?

So we have recovered craft worldwide, not just in the United States.

And, and they range from really destroyed to, uh, intact craft, intact craft that were landed, and nothing happened structurally to them.

And they're-- so they're fully there with all their internal components and so forth.

And so that number is classified, but it's south of forty total, uh, over the la-- previous eighty years.

And, um, NHIs, I couldn't get a real strong handle on that.

That's one of the more segregated components from the hardware.

Uh, what do you think these days?

Yeah

YeahOn, what was that? June 20- I think so ...

5th, the 28th.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, something like that.

So, uh, it was right af- it was right...

Was it...

Yeah

And so I wonder if there are any lessons that you think, you know, these executives are taking of trying to move something from str- streaming to the big screen here with The Mandalorian.

Yeah.

I, well, I mean, the lesson here is that it did, it did good.

Uh, you know, the other, the last spinoff that they had, the Han Solo movie, this performed, I think, a l- slightly under that film.

Uh, I... it's gotten to over 100 million domestically, 163 million worldwide, so it, it performs.

I think it's showing Disney that audiences still love Star Wars and it matters, and that there is a pathway to bring these streaming characters onto the big screen, and I think a lot of TV shows are doing that.

We saw Stranger Things do that over New Years.

Give us the landscape as you see it from now through, like, Labor Day here.

Is the game in a good place right now?

Yes and no.

Financially, it's in a great place.

You see what the numbers are for some of these players are getting.

Far as replicating what it should be about, no, uh, because, like, we've allowed people to infiltrate the game with, with, with things that doesn't make the game better.

Um, and, and, uh, analytics has been a part of our game for so long, but it's really not the analytical side that's messing our game up.

It's the private sector.

Mm.