And what is your craft?

You know, my craft is really the catalytic inputs for underrepresented people in a variety of areas.

So when I say catalytic inputs, normally what we're doing is im- I'm, I'm an investor simply, and I invest capital, which is pooled capital from third parties, into companies that have growth potential, and to be able to return according to the metrics that are most important.

And for my company, the most important metrics are that you can return capital at a very high rate, and then the secondary piece is that you can actually create jobs that are future resistant.

So that's what I do generally on a day-to-day basis.

But the same kind of basic structure and the same sort of infrastructure which exists, i.e. catalytic capital that's being used or catalytic resources which is being used in order to get to some type of an outcome which is currently not present in the world, we also use that same thing in terms of social justice.

We use that same thing in terms of the arts.

Hmm.

But, you know, was, was there a moment that you decided to stop following the conventional path, or is that just how your career evolved?

All the things that you mentioned are really on a continuum and for the same purpose, and they start off, I think, based mostly on my background with people who, meaning my parents and other members of my family, who were deeply embedded in social justice as a concept and trying to make sure social justice became a reality, and they were part of that successful generation that actually did that.

Through their efforts, through their grit, they were able to make that happen.

And so starting out in life, I was taught that, and I believe this firmly and, and so I've adopted this as a real belief, that it's not just about me and sort of my forward progression, you know, how great I am, how, you know, I, I...

That's, that's not the focus.

The focus is what are you doing and how are you better preparing yourselves to be of service to others? Because your purpose-driven life, and you're here for a reason, and your purpose-driven life is to become more effective at getting the outcome and helping to achieve the outcome for which you are uniquely qualified.

I have that as, as a belief.

How does that historical perspective inform your work?