When you're at Buffalo for so many years and then you're let go, and Tony Buselli calls you up because he hears from all these people in the league like, "Hey, man, this is the guy that you need," talk to us about that experience, man, for you.

Getting let go was, uh, different, you know? And unfortunately, like I said, in Buffalo the standard had changed.

You know, anything less than a Super Bowl, you know, season was a failure.

I got let go and, uh, it was probably hardest on my family at first.

You know, like, "Dad got fired." And then, you know, you started to like kinda, you know, you're looking back like, "Did I do something wrong?" Whatever.

And I will give Todd Monken credit.

He, uh, the head coach at Cleveland, we had worked together at Louisiana Tech, him and Franz all way through kinda called me that day and he was like, "Hey, look, I've been fired before," whatever else.

Yeah, talk, talk about that, Coach.