Eric, what is the biggest mistake or hardest lesson you've learned as an investor? What's the story behind it?

Yeah.

I came to the investing business from operate-- from a series of operating roles where I've been a manager in a company.

That lesson that was very hard at the beginning, and which I still have to remind myself from, from time to time is management is management.

They are spending all of their mind share on the issues and problems of advancing their company.

We as investors, it's-- it, it can be easy to kinda sit back and be like, "Oh, I have a clear point of view of this.

I've seen fifty companies in this space or in this category or in this situation, and you always have to do this." I just think that lesson is always you gotta work with, you gotta trust management.

Eric, can you tell us about an exceptional founder you've worked with and the specific thing they do that's unique?

I've been lucky across my, uh, career to work with so many great founders.

Um, you know, a bunch of them have become close personal friends after, uh, after, uh, you know, we're longer-- no longer working together on a day-to-day basis.

What I think, um, is really in common across so many of them is, you know, often they have some root skill that they're great at.

You know, I have one founder that I've worked with that's, you know, across whatever thirty-something years in technology is probably the best technical engineering architecture mind I, I've ever encountered.

And yet he had, uh, this-- he has this amazing ability to sort of understa-- to, to listen and really engage on a number of fronts.

He and I don't always agree.

Hmm.