Perfect.

Okay.

Um, so the way I got to understand how well he knew the mountains was a story Alden told me.

And one time he said that, um, a Boy Scout went missing, and they called, as they always did, the first person they would call was Randy 'cause he'd been there forever.

Um, and he knew the mountains better than anybody.

And so he said, "Well," he was between, I don't, I, I can't remember the exact place, but he was basically between this place and this place, point A and point C, um, when this Boy Scout troop was going.

And then all of a sudden when they got to point C, he wasn't there.

Mm-hmm.

... who wrote-

Oh The County Mon- Yeah ...

Count of Monte Cristo, but yeah Yeah.

And then Robert Louis Stevenson is, people mistake with Robinson Crusoe.

Right, right, right, right.

But, um, it was that one.

And it, it's ridiculous.

Yeah.

you talk about what they said afterwards? at the funeral? Cause you were there.

Yeah.

I wasn't at the funeral.

Um, but at the, but at the, I was able to see, see transcripts and things like that.

And John, uh, one of the, one of the guys, um, John Foss known as Fozzie or Fozzie bear of the seven guys that I interviewed who were then killed seven weeks or eight weeks after I interviewed them, um, in extortion one, seven, uh, He in particular decided at the last minute not to speak to me.

Again, yeah, I'm not trying to sell books, but I don't want to spoil it for those who do.

So you can find out why then.

They're privy to that.

totally

absolutely and it's interesting that there's not like a lot of people look at some of these stories like this is about a snowboarder and i very consciously didn't put snowboarder on the cover it's i think the subtitle is a mountain legend and the avalanche that took him but it's about craig kelly and craig kelly in a nutshell was he was my hero when I wanted to be a pro snowboarder.

He was like the Sean White of, you know, who is probably the most known, well-known male somewhere.

Maybe Chloe Kim is one of the top for the females.

Um, he was that guy in the eighties and early nineties.

And then he left, uh, competition and a lot of money he was making from prize money and whatnot to return to the back country where snowboarding really began and just to ride powder and to get to know the mountain.

And he ultimately turned and wanted to become a mountain guide in snowboarding using the split board, which was totally new technology at the time, which I don't know if you're familiar with the split board.

He was

So you started off with a book that went and did really well.

What was your first book? Well, I did a couple of, like, you know how they have solo albums in the music industry? Yeah.

I did a couple of collaborations before I did anything.

And one was called P3 Parks Pipes and Powder about an Olympic snowboarder named Todd Richards.

He became a commentator.

He now does the Monday Mass, which is the funniest and coolest snowboarding podcast every Monday.

Plugged it.

Yeah.