
Eric Bamford
Lt. Col. Erik Bamford, Branch Chief of Electronic Warfare for the Norwegian Armed Forces and AOC International Region I Director, military expert in NATO electronic warfare and electromagnetic spectrum operations.
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Aug 5, 2026
Thor's Hammer 2026: What Allies Learn From Each Other
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36:56Ken MillerHOST
Talk to us a little bit about how this vehicle will be used in that testing, uh, to kind of give our listeners a, a, a visual of how it'll move through each of the optical checkpoints and to see if you are, uh, able to successfully suppress, uh, an elect- RF signal.

Eric BamfordGUEST
signal.Lane six that we've, uh, spoken to earlier on, now they have a setup where the threat system or you have a long, straight stretch of road with an opening port that is optically initiated on, in terms of starting registration for, for testing, and you have a setup of a multiple threats that then will be, need to be defeated by this vehicle or the ECM system on this vehicle.

Eric BamfordGUEST
You drive through it, so you drive towards the threat, you pass it, and then you leave the threat behind you.

Eric BamfordGUEST
The antennas on this vehicle is designed to kind of give you protection around the vehicle, but you have limitations on where you can then place an antenna on a vehicle like this.

Eric BamfordGUEST
So the l- the test on lane six will give us an indication of how efficient we can suppress a threat in front of the vehicle as we drive towards the threat.
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38:57Ken MillerHOST
And you mentioned, you know, the strategic placement of the antennas is meant to give you full coverage, but depending on your angle of arrival and other environmental factors, there could be a gap, or that gap could appear for just a moment in time, and that's the data you're collecting to make sure that in a battle environment you do have that full coverage or you know how to mitigate that if the certain environmental elements are right.
Thor's Hammer 2026: How NATO Tests for the Next Drone War
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5:16Ken MillerHOST
Uh, could you tell us a little bit about the history of Thor's Hammer going back to 2015 and, and how this exercise has evolved over the last 11 years?

Eric BamfordGUEST
So when the allied forces, the coalition of the willing in both Iraq and Afghanistan and then the NATO operations in, in Afghanistan kicked off and we faced the threat from RCIDs, we saw that the nations were throwing ECM systems into the operation area, uh, slightly uncoordinated, creating a lot of electromagnetic fratricide across the, the operations that were going on.

Eric BamfordGUEST
So NATO HQ, and I, I'd like to just name drop somebody here, Sam Hanser of NATO HQ.

Eric BamfordGUEST
He, um, he contacted me and he said, uh, "Do you think it would be an idea to stand up a, uh, NATO team of experts on countering RCIDs? Because we're struggling on how to get the nations aligned, uh, and Be more surgical in how they approach the threat.

Eric BamfordGUEST
So, um, in 2011, we had a exploratory meeting in Warsaw where we then agreed across the nations to stand up the team of experts.
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Frode RingdalGUEST
So this is, uh, only participating nations that will have this data from the e- from this trial.