Eric, actually, how did you come across even just come across the idea of sigils and stuff before we even get into how you use them and this and that?

I think, because I've come across them like many times, you know, like different ways through my life.

But I think the first time I came across sigil making was reading Lieber Null and Psychonaut.

And I think I was trying to look up how to make a servitor or thought form like many, many, many years ago.

And that process just... really fascinating me, fascinated me.

To me, the idea of sigil making is encoding an idea and the power behind it comes from not like, I have mixed feelings about it, okay? Because I employ a variety of techniques magically and some sigils I'll make and I put up as like a conscious reminder.

They're things that I see.

Hmm.

So did writing the book change your own relationship with your practice in any way?

Yeah, I mean, it definitely made me think a lot more about alchemy, um, as, like, a practical thing because I think when I first started doing research into fluid condensers, a lot of stuff led me to alchemical writings when I was trying to explain, like, to myself what was going on and why it was working that way.

And for a long time, alchemy was kind of something that I looked at with, with a laugh, uh, as a joke, you know? Like, as, "Oh, that's a silly thing." But I was looking at it in terms of thinking that people were, like, in their garage trying to actually turn- ...

lead into gold, like physically.

Um, because you do see those people online- Yeah ... sometimes and they're like- For sure ... "I've got this secret," or they posted a little like short video of this thing that looks like they're dripping weird chemicals into something that comes out as gold, and they're like, "Ah." And you just think, well, how come you're not like super wealthy now if you have the secrets- Right ...

to making gold? But anyway, um, I used to kind of laugh at it.

And then for me, and I can only share like my perspective and what it means to me, but for me it turned out to be something that is more about my mentality and my spiritual awareness, and a metaphoric transformation rather than like literally turning something physical into something else.

Yes

Mm-hmm

... and filling your, your lungs with white light or, or whatever.

Something like that, right? So pore breathing just goes a little bit farther with the visualization, and you imagine that every pore on the surface of your skin is like a tiny set of lungs.

And as you inhale with your, with your regular lungs, um, you are also breathing in the energy around you through your skin.

So it, it makes it an entire body exercise to drink up all the energy around you of, of whatever type of thing you're trying to visualize.

And then you transfer that into the fluid condenser.

And it's, it's, it's a very similar process to if you were holding a crystal and trying to charge it with a particular intention or something of that nature, except again, we're not using a specific intention.

Mm-hmm.