So how has that journey been for you guys? And maybe what were some of the struggles as well as, you know, I would say right now you're in a triumphant phase, but maybe what were some of the dark years when it was challenging for you guys?

Yeah, I kind of feel like the whole grunge era really did damage to us as far as writing and the direction we want to go and the music that we should be playing.

And, you know, we were on this huge MCA label and, It was just a weird kind of time.

We didn't know what to do or where to go or which direction to head.

And we really probably should have stayed with our roots.

We tried to get a little more commercial, not really on purpose, but we got a little more commercial, a little more hooky, you know, on stuff.

And we put three records out on MCA that was...

and it's forced retirement.