the timeline and the transition from a player to a businessman?

Yeah, I still don't quite consider myself a businessman in that sense, but I know that from being a young lad coming through, I had an interest in business.

I always had done, fascinated with how businesses are run and also rugby clubs especially.

So to try and keep it as short as possible in that sense, I was very lucky that I played amateur in football Huddersfield under Mount Rangers, which is a top of home turf, which essentially has got its own microclimate.

While in summer it's bleak, in winter it's not even worth thinking about.

It is a pretty tough and horrible place to go to, but that's where I fell in love with the game of rugby league.

Rugby league born in Huddersfield, of course, at the George Hotel.

yeah