Eoin, how do you think that natural capital investments in nature's infrastructure as, as it is, becomes an interesting thing to large institutional investors, for example, to pension funds?

Well, I think you hit your-- that you hit the nail on the head earlier, Finlay, when you mentioned, uh, return because there's not a chance that institutional investors will put their money to work if there isn't an investment return for a requisite amount of risk being taken.

So I think that's-- we've got to put that up front.

But after all, this is our pension funds.

This is your pension fund, mine, Annabel, Tom's, Isabelle's.

So in a way, I, I'm glad that they're seeking a small [chuckles] amount of return.

That's an appropriate thing to do.

How does food production fit into that? Can food production and nature recovery be stacked? Uh, can a, a farm transitioning to agroecology become an investable asset?