It was so lovely to see that on your bio.

Yeah.

Wonderful.

Similar to Whitney, I've had a winding path to get where I am, but it started in undergrad, as many of us do, of having a wonderful experience with some great student affairs professionals on campus and planting the seed that I maybe wanted to go into this field.

I took a few years off after undergrad before I ended up going to get my master's in higher education at the University of Denver.

And while I was there, a graduate assistant position opened up the Bacchus Initiatives of NASPA.

Previously, the Bacchus Initiatives was a standalone nonprofit that merged with NASPA in 2014.

And I do think that's the much harder conversation.