You know, you have six kids and how did you, I mean, what happened?

Yeah.

I love how you, when you say it all in like a sound about like that, it makes it sound like really impressive.

But when you're living it day to day, it's like every day is a little different and just these tiny baby steps every day, making it towards the progress.

And sometimes you just have to turn around and look and say like, okay, wow, look what we've done over the past.

I guess it's been about seven or eight years that we've been working on this.

So basically, end of 2017, my husband was laid off from his IT job.

So what's the biggest challenge you're facing at the moment?

Yeah

... developed, like they were research informed, and one of my colleagues was presenting on, on the SHARP, um, principles at, um, a conference, um, Dr Lorraine Woodfield, and, um, uh, somebody from, from Swim England, Lorna Goldie, was, um, kind of in the audience and watched and, and she said she, you know, could really relate to it.

So we started, um, a partnership then w-with herself, um, and also, um, Ashley Jones, who did work for Swim England at that time.

Um, and we s- we started to explore what the SHARP principles, um, could look like in swimming, 'cause I think Lorna had said that she'd noticed similar things in school swimming in terms of children not really moving very much in the water, not having those opportunities to engage in purposeful practice.

Um, so we started to, to, to explore that really.

And we, so we, we had kind of two different research studies.

One was measuring children's, um, that active learning time, and by active learning time, it's not just them kind of moving, um, mindlessly in the water.

Yeah.

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I love a good research project, right? So to me, getting something started and executing on it loses its appeal when it becomes a day-to-day maintenance type of thing.

And I knew going into this that my goal was never to scale a large business.

To me, I have a huge multifamily portfolio.

A lot of people are like, oh, what, a thousand units? And And I ended up with about a thousand through like micro partnerships where I would buy into very tiny pieces of partnerships because I would bring some small niche value.

I would get into a GP and I sat back and one day and I looked at it and I kind of have a thousand units.

I think if you If you added up my percentage of ownership, it would have been like way less than half of that.

What is that one principle, that deep dive strategy you've used in your own journey that helped you turn your real estate business into a true freedom vehicle for your family?