So what are we actually talking about when, when, when people have that experience of, of what we're calling silence?

Silence in the chamber.

One thing that we spoke about that I keep coming back to with my clients, the patients that I'm working with in the anechoic chamber, you, myself, is that we can't reflect on our experience in the anechoic chamber.

You can't reflect on your experience in the anechoic chamber based on the lack of light or based on the lack of sound.

You can really only reflect on it based on what's left, right? So when you're in an environment that's acoustically very, very quiet and visually completely dark, and there's no difference between your eyes being open and closed, you've, you've lost the two main ways in which you're connected to the world, in which you're connected to yourself, in which we're connected to each other.

And those two things anchor us to our reality, in addition to, of course, our other senses as well.

And so the biggest piece of clarification that I'd, you know, that I'd like to make is, is that silence is thought of as an acoustical issue, and it is an acoustical issue, but it's also an issue that manifests across all of the other ways in which we perceive the world.

You know, there's a, there's an appeal to-