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... is something that you want to experience.

I also think for a lot of people, especially, say, with Oasis, they broke up, and I think there's a lot of people who are like, "Oh, I didn't get to see them," or, "I didn't get enough of them," or, "I need another chance." There's almost an unfinished business to some bands, and I think to get the chance to create that new memory, I, I think people really want to experience that.

And we see that.

Like, Take That.

I've seen Take That as a foursome, a fivesome, and a threesome.

[laughs] I've seen them actually live in all of those guises.

Westlife.

Uh, but nobody's telling Sabrina to put on a pair of trousers.

No, and that is the point, is that you're looking at Madonna going, "Well, why? Why should she have to put on trousers, and why should she conform?" And again, there is the ageism, there is the misogyny.

And I do think she is standing there in the face of all of this criticism about her age so that all these women can come behind her and be 68.

And look, I'm not saying we wanna be Madonna at 68.

I'm not saying we wanna stand there with no clothes on at 68.

But she is telling us that we can be what we want to be at 68.

Mm.

And I think that is a strong message.

The minute I heard Oasis at Slane 2027, apart from getting there and back, I thought, how will the tickets work out this time around? It's just, it's changed so much, the process of acquiring them.

So much.

So quick background, 2025, Oasis came back with a bang after 10 years of whatever, not talking to each other and everybody wants to go.

Everybody.

So general release sale happened.

Everybody tried to get tickets.

The lucky few who did manage to get through the queue then ended up being charged €450 for a ticket they said would be €150.

Okay.

But there's still something about Dancing Queen.

There is.

And really interestingly, the band said at the time that they knew there was something really special about this.

So it was released in 1976.

Now, this was two years after they were on Eurovision.

Waterloo was a big success.

They were a big success.

It's one of my favourites.

If you wanna get with me, better get with my friends.

Are we still trying to work out what zig a zig ah really was? [laughs] So the Spice Girls there with Wannabe, uh, released into the world, would you believe, 30 years ago today, launching a global phenomenon.

They sold more than 100 million records, turned girl power into a global catchphrase, and became the biggest selling female group in music history.

Well, we're joined now by Emma Leaden, communications consultant and former MTV presenter.

Emma, were you a fan? I was.

I was a fan.

Uh, probably not a mega, mega fan, um, but I liked them, and I liked what they stood for, and I loved their confidence, and I loved that they sang about friendship and self-belief.

... explain to people, yes.

But I mean, she's so impressive in that documentary and it really does show up exactly the point you're making in terms of the attitude towards that kind of music.

Well, I've interviewed Kylie and she is...

She was gorgeous.

She was gorgeous on the outside.

She was gorgeous to interview and so genuine in a way you can't fake.

And I interviewed her in early 2000.

But when I watched that documentary, I was 13 years of age when I Should Be So Lucky came out and I loved it.

And she's gotten over it now and she knows what she has is what people want.