And then there are listeners also saying that they're awful shagging Egypt's for having filmed each other doing this because they're going to be identified quite easily.

And this is what I said.

I was just saying to Paddy outside, the guards have issued a witness appeal for this and they're asking for people to hand over video footage.

Do you not have enough? And it is worth pointing out that both the Gardaí and the University of Limerick are carrying out an investigation into this.

expulsion is not off the table appearing in court is absolutely not off the table it's a criminal damage investigation and I do also think the person who said that students should be out lobbying for their rights is a really important point to make because Housing Minister James Brown actually made this point himself yesterday evening in a statement that we shouldn't just be towering all students with the one brush now they don't all do this the students are usually at the forefront of demanding housing rights and the importance of accommodation so I think this is a bad example of what students can be

But Emily, leaving Hegsett aside, what do you think about the whole idea of actually allowing people to watch somebody been killed by firing squad?

I think there's so much around this that I've questioned for a long time.

I watched a documentary a couple of years back about Ted Bundy and horrific man did horrific things.

So what happens is when that nostalgia is present, but the politics are also enabling a set of ideas that are mobilized through that culture, then I think we can say, all right, so the culture, yes, is reflecting something, and more importantly, the politics is trying to reflect the culture, and I think that's one of those things that we have happening right now.

I think our culture generally moves by whoever we think is powerful at any given point in time.

So we're very curious people, and we're also really interested in power and the stories of the people who we think are holding power.

And that tends to shift with the narrative that we give our political moment.

So when we have large elections and a narrative is built around the reason for whoever wins, we follow those guidelines, those guides within our culture.

So I mean, we look at kind of like how culture changed through the Clinton years and what was on TV and when.

When the rural revolt happened in '94, we had a narrative around that that was about a shift in a rising conservative culture in this country, which was absolutely true.

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It's all fiction.

And it's, I'm not judging anyone for the lengths they go to for their love of a story or for anything.

Like, I genuinely don't care what you're into.

This is just insanity how far this has come.

And, like, the Harry Potter fans tend to be the most famous for it.

I mean, they used to go to King's Cross Station every year on the same day at the same time for platform nine and three-quarters for the train to be announced, and King's Cross had to stop doing it because too many people were turning up.

Depends how committed you are to the Eurovision, but yes

Emily, this lady, Siobhan Carney, just happened across this incident.

Yeah, so just to remind people at the outset that 52-year-old Riyad Bouchikar of No Fix to Boat has pleaded not guilty to eight charges relating to this alleged incident at Parnell Square on the 23rd of November 2023.

And some of the evidence from Siobhan Carney and other witnesses yesterday is quite graphic, so some listeners may find this upsetting.

But as you said there, Ms. Carney was attending the Stardust disaster inquest at the Rotunda and she had stepped outside and was smoking a cigarette when she heard a scream from across the road and she told the court yesterday that she looked across and saw a man with a knife and she said at this point that she's a chef so her eyes followed the knife and she saw riad bouchaker stabbing kids and because of her awareness of knives from working in kitchens she said she knew that this particular type of knife could cause a lot of damage to anybody let alone a small child So she said at this point she took across the road screaming and she jumped on the man, the man being Riald Bouchaker, and after that he landed at her feet and she said then there was chaos and everybody was kicking.

So she locked hands with another woman and told people we're not savages and told them to try and get the kids away.

And as far as she could see, the man was knocked out behind her at this point and he wasn't going to do any more damage.

Now, during cross-examination, Mr Bouchaker's lawyers put it to her that Despite the views of the people who tried to burn down the city that night, two of the men who tried to help in defending this man and protecting the children were foreigners themselves.

In other words, people were trying to get at him.

And I think that's one of those things that we have happening right now.

I think our culture generally moves by whoever we think is powerful at any given point in time.

So we're very curious people, and we're also really interested in power and the stories of the people who we think are holding power.

And that tends to shift with the narrative that we give our political moment.

So when we have large elections and a narrative is built around the reason for whoever wins, we follow those guidelines, those guides within our culture.

So I mean, when we look at kind of, like, how culture changed through the Clinton years and what was on TV and when, when the rural revolt happened in '94, we had a narrative around that that was about a shift in a rising conservative culture in this country, which was absolutely true.

It's, uh, you know, narratives are based in truth, right? And our television shows followed that.

That was so embodied, okay? (laughs)