At what point would you say a photographer stops being the photographer and starts being part of the music community, the, the, their local scene or the larger concert venue scene, or, you know, s- where the scene stops looking at them and that, that community around the photographers and the, and the, and the venues stop looking at this new photographer as a photographer and a part of them?

I feel like it, it, it can depend a lot.

I feel like if you consistently go out there and you, and it, it depends on how you carry yourself as a photographer.

If you're very chill and you just kind of get along with everybody, it, it goes a lot better in your favor than if-

Mm-hmm

... one of my favorite shots is that like under the cymbal, through the cymbal shot of a drummer.

Not like the one you were just describing, that was like with a, a big lens zoomed in, but with my fisheye and the flash, if you just like shove it in there.

It's such a fun angle 'cause the fisheye, you then get the entire drummer doing the movement.