So do you believe our loved ones can give us signs?

Yes.

And Cameron is very active with his signs.

That is one of the ways I feel like he comes in just as a reminder.

Sometimes it's just a hi.

Sometimes I feel like it's, you know, hey, I love what you guys are doing.

I'm here with you sort of a sign.

Would you like to share what happens?

Emily, for people that don't know your music as in your work, as well as I do, tell everybody kind of really quickly, what kind of stuff do you do?

Well, I started out as a band director and I started kind of writing for my, or trying to write for my kids, but like nothing ever actually happened.

And then a friend of mine told me that, or I told her, Aaron Keaton Howard, the great Aaron Keaton Howard.

I told her, I was like, you should totally write this piece for a band about Mount Rainier.

And she was like, no, you should.

And I was like, what? I mean, sure.

Why not? So I tried and that totally never became anything or hasn't become anything yet.

Ever deal with writer's

um and yeah thank you for coming and thank you for organizing this beautiful place um we've just driven up and the amount of waders lapwings curlew um we've seen is truly amazing so we're very privileged to be here um could you start off and give us a little bit of information about yourself how you started off um with your passion for the countryside and how you got to where you are now

Yeah, of course.

And thank you for having me as well.

I always start by saying, so I grew up on a farm and where my parents live, their kitchen windows sit flush with the fields.

So their kitchen is like sunk into the ground.

So I basically grew up just looking out of those windows.

And I feel like even now, when I go back to my parents, the first thing I do is go and look out those windows and just see what's there.

And how did conservation communication start?