And so what are their objectives? What are some of the leverage points, strengths and weaknesses that you see?

Let me first respond to Eric, who called in with interesting questions.

Eric has really hit on one of the central foreign policy debates happening right now in the US foreign policy establishment, which is If we recognize that China is one of the main U.S. competitors economically, technologically, militarily, what is the right path forward? Is it to be outwardly confrontational and to decouple? Or does that reduce American leverage over Chinese choices? And does that cut off any potential diplomatic off ramp and potentially really productive collaboration when it comes to things like solutions to climate change and the dangers of frontier artificial intelligence? There's even a growing faction of foreign policy restrainers who believe that, you know what, China is so far ahead that the U.S.

has more important issues to focus on.

Let's restrain American foreign policy and reduce American military presence from around the world, basically ceding some territory in the Asia-Pacific to to China because we should focus on things in the Western hemisphere and the North American continent.

So that's been a growing, very controversial voice in the foreign policy establishment.

But this is a conversation that is, you know, there's no answers, Eric, but people who have a lot of experience have been debating this very vociferously over the last two years.

Can you talk about that? And then sort of what you see as far as any agreements regarding the AI arms race between China and the U.S.?