Mm-hmm.

And I think when I was about 12, I ask my parents as a gift for camera with film.

So of course it was long time ago when there was dinosaurs.

And so I was always, always, already very interested in making pictures, but it was expensive, so I wasn't taking a lot of picture.

And when I had more money, around 25, I bought myself a reflex and a few photo lessons, and I start to doing photo, I think like everybody, like traveling or photos of my friends, that kind of stuff.

And I really enjoy it.

And I reconnect with my, this sensibility of art and everything.

Mm-hmm