Mm.

And in fact, it's precisely because I do think that there is real difference between men and women, uh, that I think it is good for them to be in full and equal partnership in all roles and ministries within the church, which would then include preaching.

And yeah, I guess I should also say that I wouldn't merely argue, uh, for sort of the bare minimum that women can if they really want to or they should be forced to, but rather I would argue positively that, yes, be unleashed, um, according to your spirit giftedness and calling, um, by the Lord.

Women, if you have those gifts, do exercise them because it will be in the terminology of Ephesians 4, all the gifts are given to the church in order to build up the body of Christ so that we can attain full maturity, uh, in the fullness of Christ.

And the way I would come about this, which we'll discuss in more detail later, um, but in broad strokes I would take a sort of creation, new creation theological framing, starting with Genesis 1 and 2 to say men and women are fully created in the image of God, and from the beginning called to be equal partners in this task of ruling over creation.

And then in the, in the new creation kingdom of Jesus that's birthed by his resurrection and empowered by the Spirit, that, yeah, women as well as men are filled and gifted and commissioned by that spirit, yeah, for, for the good of God's people and the advancement of God's mission in the world.

And, and I see that happening in a, in an equal plane for men and women.

Mm-hmm.