Can you just tell us a little bit more about her condition? How old is she now? What's she up to in life?

Yeah.

So Ella is deaf, blind.

That's her primary difference in terms of who she is in the world and how she perceives the world or experiences it.

So we discovered that when she was seven years old, quite late on in life, and she's actually congenitally deaf, blind, so she was from birth.

She grew up with a visual impairment that was classed as severe, and she was incredible.

I mean, you wouldn't have known.

Would you like to tell the listeners a little bit more about Diagnosis Human?

Although I would

say she uses another set of senses in lieu of those.

Yes.

She's developed another sense of safety, which you and I have talked about, which is mind-blowing for me because it's utterly relevant to everybody today is talking about psychological safety, aren't they? how do we feel internally safe when the world's going too fast when there's too much pressure when professionals being squeezed families being squeezed kids are being squeezed like we're all under this ridiculous pressure of constantly needing to find where do we feel safe in the world and she's developed this in a this is one of the things I talk about the books it's the pulse of intention is what I called it I didn't know psychological safety was a thing when I was writing this book I don't know about mirror neurons emotional contagion I didn't know about this yet I then having written down like I say this how do I translate this felt experience people are going to think I'm like talking absolute rubbish What is it I've discovered? So I wrote it as we'd experienced it using the language I'd given it.

And then I went looking for where in the world is this also happening for other people? And that's when I found the literature and the academic research, the lived experience.

I was like, whoa, okay, so it's a thing.

Like other people are really experiencing what we've experienced.

Yes, exactly that.