This needs a more feminist approach, one that really centers care and life in the middle of it.

I think something that we really saw coming through as a framing in Santa Marta from governments was that relying on fossil fuels is a national security risk.

So it's interesting when we think about this.

what is this framing of security that we're talking about here? Because there's so many layers to this.

I mean, on one hand, you have the normalization of attacks on fossil fuel infrastructure in Ukraine, in Russia, in Iran, and that having this infrastructure is now, because of this normalization, a point of vulnerability.

Similarly, when these attacks happen, They hit the global energy supply and that impacts everyone who is dependent on fossil fuels.

Prices go up for you and me.

So I wonder what you both think about that strategic peacemaking component as well.