I'm, I'm causing more harm by pretending like it doesn't exist.

And that's the hard thing, like, um, when you say, uh, you know, I, I, I was like becoming an enabler.

I think about Jenna Larry too.

Um, when you have a loved one or a friend that is in addiction, in recovery, and it's so hard because, you know, you have these group of people that are, um, in, in sobriety.

They're, they've struggled with addiction, and you have them all on the internet saying, "This is what we don't need.

We need the support.

We don't need to be accused of be- uh, of relapsing." But then you also are like, okay, but if I'm seeing something, can I not say anything because I don't need to accuse them of relapsing.

Four days

Well, I mean, is that it?

Honestly, it's never it with me because I could go on for hours.

I always will think about something like, oh, what about this? What about this? But we are at almost four hours.

So, you know.

I know you guys got stuff to do tomorrow.

And, you know, I got the kids in there.

You got the kids or whatever.

So

shit.

You know, like that's, you know, like there was things that I was like, Tyler should not have said that.

Kay should have asked for that.

Like that's going to come back and bite them in the butt for sure.

It's coming back and biting them in the butt.

A hundred percent.

What I can say in reading them in totality from front to the end, this person, I would bet.

I've had... multiple people look at it that i trust and so from your opinion did you see anything remotely close to being a pedophile groomer whatever okay

Yeah, we're on your Live and on our podcast.

Okay, okay.

So, um, welcome to the live stream, you guys.

Uh, we have Catelynn and Tyler from Teen Mom, and we also have Bree, who is a marriage and family therapist who specializes in trauma.

Um, one thing that's interesting about Bree is she is also an adoptee, who also has experience with Bethany Christian Services, the same agency that Catelynn and Tyler used when they placed their, uh, firstborn, Carly.

So I thought it would be interesting for me, Bree, and Catelynn and Tyler all to sit down and just kinda talk about adoption, talk about both of their experiences with the agency, and her being a marriage and family therapist, but an adoptee as well, I thought she could bring a lot to the table with...

I've talked to Bree so much.

Yeah

Mm-hmm.

The mom and stepmom became best friends.

They have pictures together.

Like, they w- they were cool.

Well then, when she got her own place, they just co-parented.

Like, he got Hunter on his time, she had Hunter on her time.

He did sports, they went to the games, and everything was fine.

Mm-hmm

Mm-hmm.

Bella's paternal grandfather messaged him and said like, "Oh, I wish you the best of luck.

The last three times I have been to Falyn's house, before me and my wife left..."She made comments about Bella and Hunter being so cute that they would have the cutest babies, and they need to hurry up and have a baby because she wanted to quit her job to be a stay-at-home grandmother.

And he said this was before Bella got pregnant that she made comments like that on three different, three different occasions.

Yeah, 'cause he wanted to sleep, didn't he?

I, I thought, I thought she said, "Go hang out with his friends," but maybe, maybe she said sleep.

But I feel like she did say he wanted to do something different.

And, um, Hunter's like, "No, no, that's not it." She's like, "Well, he wanted me to tell you he's not gonna go." And she's like, "He better be there." Bella gets mad, um, walks off set.

But what if I didn't?

Well, then Dee Dee did.

Dee Dee signed a form, it's in her records, and Gypsy signed it, giving consent to her doctor when she moved to Missouri.

Gypsy was 14 when she left Louisiana.

She wasn't eight, she wasn't four, she was 14.

So her doctor that she had in Louisiana was the same doctor who sent her to specialists because she had microdeletion which caused, um, you know, issues sleeping, it caused issues with her swallowing, and all these things are like known things that happen with microdeletion.

But she was, they didn't know that she had microdeletion.

No.