There's a lot of

research on trafficking and related areas tends to be really top down.

And there's so much... important that gets lost from what's actually happening on the ground.

And there's a lot of spin and a lot of agendas.

Tell us a bit more about what the impact of communities are.

I mean, it's twofold.

So like human trafficking gets talked about as if it's like this thing right that's like really easy to discern and you get all these campaigns like spot the signs of human trafficking in reality human trafficking isn't one thing it's a ton of different things smudged together under this big umbrella concept and there's a real lack of coherence in there so you've got child sexual exploitation you've got criminal exploitation you've got exploitation in global supply chains you've got organ trafficking so it's so many different things put in there And then anti-trafficking is also talked about as if it's this one thing.

So this is where there's grassroots resistance in a community to an organization or set of