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[laughs] But the second thing that I've said is, um, I'm very concerned, the treasurer also chairs the Retirement Board.

And Department of Correction workers, who demonstrably have shortened lifespans right now, are not getting credit for hazardous work conditions.

They're being denied Group 4 qual- uh, classification, which means that instead of 80% benefits on retirement, they only get 50% benefits.

A lot of them are appealing, but I, I frankly think that there is, I think why this is happening is an anti-law enforcement bias.

And I will be the first one to say that we need to hold police accountable when they do something wrong, but I will also say they are the ones who take bullets for us.

And so it's, it's this balance of, I, I think that POST, Police Offi- uh, Peace Officer Standards and Training has been a great institution, um, to hold officers accountable, but at the same time, I, I strongly feel these are people who literally put their lives on the line.

Mm-hmm.

This guy Bracken comes out.

The, the one I just mentioned, who runs unclaimed property and the lottery.

Well, and I love how he threw the controller under the bus.

So they were pointing at fingers at everybody but themselves.

All these excuses as to why for the last 12 years they've done nothing to clean up this office and drag it into the 21st century.

I mean, it really sounds to me like they're functioning in the 1990s.

Uh, and one example of this would be that last week I met a man in Boston, we were talking about unclaimed property, as we do a lot, and he said he literally has $270,000 in unclaimed property.

... do you want to speak to her? Go, just go address, address the incumbent.

What have you been lying about?

Uh, I've been ...

In her mind, I've been lying about the fact that there is evidence of pay to play in the Alcohol Beverage Control Commission, which is one of the 13 departments that the treasurer oversees.

Uh, but my campaign has documented $371,000 in donations that this woman, who mind you, is incredibly wealthy, heir to the Stop & Shop fortune.

She doesn't need the money But she's taking it anyway.

Uh, $371,000 from industries she directly regulates.

And I sat with an insider from the ABCC in March who spent three hours talking to me about the problems in that department.

... fighting it out.

So you talked in your campaign literature about corruption and cronyism and chaos in Deb

Goldberg's treasury.

What are you talking about? Let's start with something that we know.

Deb Goldberg, despite her vast personal inherited fortune, has taken over $200,000 in donations from industries she directly regulates, whether through the Mass School Building Authority, the lottery, or most notably the Alcohol Beverage Control Commission.

This isn't illegal, but it's wrong.

And I have pledged I will not take a dollar from any industry that I directly regulate.

This has led to a perception of play to play.

So Elizabeth Dionne, people may not know you, so tell people a little bit about your biography.

Why do you feel like the treasurer's office is an office that can move the needle on this issue?

That is an outstanding question and one that people need to know the answer to.

It's mainly because of the state lottery.

For historic reasons, the treasurer, one of the 13 departments that the treasurer oversees is the state lottery.

The lottery is the single largest source of unrestricted general government assistance, UGA, which we just call local aid.

One of the major drivers of the affordability crisis in Massachusetts is our property tax burden.

We're fourth in the nation and climbing.

When you look back on that portion of everything that we've been watching, how would you have handled that situation when it was happening?

fair.

So actually this is data.

Data is powerful.

Uh, one of the things, one of my reforms is like board chair was implementing something called, um, the multi-year budget advisory committee.

Shocker, we had no permanent mechanism for doing three to five year revenue expense lookouts.

And I said, this is crazy.

This is like government in the dark.

So

So I, I, I have to imagine, Elizabeth, when you're on the campaign trail, when you're stumping, when you're going out and knocking on doors, you're hearing from people who are saying, "Hey, it's nice you're telling me my vote counts and you can make a difference, but I used my vote to vote for an audit, and that doesn't seem to count for anything."

So we're asking voters, first of all, don't vote with your feet, which they're doing right now.

Please vote in November for change.

And yes, the two issues that I hear again and again are affordability and the audit.

I'm one of the 72% who voted for the audit, the 82% who now support it.

I cannot force the legislature to follow the will of the people and do the right thing.

Only the people can do that by voting for change.

Why do you think that is? Is it just that she's done such a terrible job, or has she had, you know, s- some bad interactions with other people that she works with? But you've been, you've been getting a lot of support from people, and some people that I think a lot of my listeners would be surprised to hear come out and support you.