Uh-huh.

Um, this artist Es Devlin at the Cooper Hewitt.

They do all sorts of work, but they also are a, um...

They do, like, stage production design for, like, major pop and rock stars.

But I remember going into the exhibition, and before you were allowed to go in, you had to sit down at this table.

They used a lot of, um, projectors projecting a flipping book onto a table, and it...

I, I will say, like, in the moment I was not so open-minded 'cause I had a little bit of limited time, and I wanted to get on with looking at the exhibition and not be forced to watch this, like, AV presentation.

And I think this is really important because you as a reference specialist working in archives, you are saying that you value archive sharing by living artists.