Now, did you say you had been here before with her at the

Barclay? No, this is my first ever time coming to the Barclay.

And I told her, I was like, if you compete in the Barclay again, I'm coming.

I first learned about this race when I was maybe five or six years old.

And we were sitting in the car driving home from school.

And I'd fallen asleep.

And when we fell asleep in the car, mom would play podcasts.

Is there anything about the Barclay that makes crewing for a runner even more complicated?

Oh, okay.

These are people who have walked the Camino and decided, "I wanna make an app that works to my understanding." And they basically...

Like Camino Ninja, you go, "I'm gonna start here," and then it gives you a list of all of the towns that you could stop, essentially, and the distances between, and it gives you a rough idea of what is in that town.

Um, so you know, there could be one town at just a cafe.

Another town that has a cafe, a supermarket.

The next town has a cafe, a supermarket, restaurants, an albergue, a chemist.

And so you'll pick, depending on how far you wanna walk that day and what, um, situation you wanna have, that's where you go.

And so where do you end up in? What, where, what's the place? What's it called?