I...

Yeah, the first time that archival moving image really hit me on a personal level, it's kind of embarrassing, but it's the truth.

It was just the first time I really felt the impact of having transfers of historical works was when I worked for Cartemquin Films in Chicago for many years, many formative years.

I encountered one of their 1970s short documentaries, What the Fuck Are These Red Squares? And it was this reckoning that took place at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago in, I want to say, 1974.

They hosted a revolutionary seminar on the campus where artists got together and tried to understand what is the place of art making in a world that is falling apart, in a world where...

There's war and there's campus police shootings and how do we reconcile putting so much labor into contemporary art, red squares, whatever.

I was a student at the time at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago and it just felt like it could have been a conversation I had the day prior.

Can you please tell us a little bit more about the movie, about your work with Tanner, and maybe any kind of overlaps as well with your archival work?