Sure.

Maybe some of this stuff is happening in New Zealand also, but we have a history, especially since the 1950s, of building really large homes in the United States, sprawled out.

When I started getting into development, the average home size was 2,600 square feet.

And the most you could build on a lot is one house on a 50 by 100 foot lot.

There's not a lot of households who need that much space.

And I think really strongly that housing policy is climate policy.

The greenest way you can make a house is like what you're doing there is making it smaller.

Yeah, like what are the elements, the design elements that are very common to each one of them? And then what would you say residents would say about living there, what makes it a really great place to be?