Yeah, I love

that.

So it's a very strange dress.

I don't know if you can see it very clearly there, but she's, It's a dress that is not at all what we'd associate with Charlotte.

And in fact, when I found it in the cupboard, it's one that had never been shown.

Everyone had sort of presumed it wasn't Charlotte's and it sort of ended up in the archive sort of, you know, somehow.

And it may not have been Charlotte's or whatever.

But can you delve into the similarities between Charlotte and her protagonist, Jane Eyre, just for a little bit?

Your description of how it would've fitted Charlotte and the sheer smallness of its size, it made me feel quite uncomfortable.

Yes, it is.

It's a very powerful piece.

I think it's probably one of the most speaking pieces in the collection.

It is not very appealing to look at, to be honest.

When you first see it, it's graying.

It's not very pretty at all, unlike some corsets of the period, which, which were.

[Instrumental music] What other evidence do we have of Charlotte perhaps enjoying her fame just a little bit through her wardrobe?

And-

So I think what you see of it on social media is cool parties, fun fancy dress costumes, and that's definitely there, but it doesn't really say exactly what it is.

So for me, when you go to Burning Man, you're going to a place where you don't really have any social structures anymore.

There's no hierarchy.

You don't even really have an identity.

You kind of leave that at the door.

So you're partying with people or chatting to people who might be 80 years old, they might be 25 years old.

[And it's just focusing on just developing some quietness and some ability to be aware of your surroundings and paying attention to them. And it's a really nice way of training your brain to just observe thoughts rather than letting the brain hijack you with your thoughts. And I think that's quite nice for surgery because, um, you know, sometimes if you're in a really stressful environment in theater, say, if you're encountering a really horrible thing, like a lot of bleeding, your brain tends to give you a narrative of, "This is a terrible thing that's happening right now," and you can either choose to believe it, or you can choose to completely suppress it, and I think neither of those things are the right thing that you should be doing. So meditation allows you to sort of say, "Okay, my brain's giving me a thought, but I can actually choose not to believe that thought and actually come up with my own truth as to what is happening." So for example, if you're in theater, this terrible thing, your brain's panicking, your amygdala's been activated, you're releasing cortisol, you're releasing adrenaline. There's lots of bleeding. This is terrible. You can just try and calm your brain and develop this sense of, actually, I can reframe this as there is bleeding. What are the next three things I should be doing? And when you are able to do that and really harness your brain and calm it down, then I think that changes the next five steps that you do in theater and, um, you know, you can approach it in a more safe way for your patient. So- That's- That's what meditation brings for me. Yeah. Yeah, that's really, that's really good and important 'cause we- we've all been in situations with, you know, senior colleagues and during our training when there's complications, and there's those that get very angry and very flustered, and it does not make the room or the- Mm ... sending any better, and then there's the, the consultants we work with who they just take complete control. It's like they see it kind of all the time, and then that ease just makes every single person in the room relax. Yeah. That's right. And I kind of find if the stress keeps building, then everyone starts to make mistakes. Um- And each- everyone finds their own way of doing it, I think. You've got your meditation. I'm a Christian. I pray. I read the Bible. Mm-hmm. You know, that keeps me calm and keeps me centered. Um, you go to the gym probably and- Yeah ... throw some heavy things around, and that relaxes you. My, yeah, my release is a gym in the morning, and then if it's been a particularly stressful day, I'll, I'll hit a boxing bag- Mm. In the, of an evening. Yeah. And- And a good, and a good tell, I think, of a super stressful environment in, in, you know, time in the operating theater is if you can't really tell that the surgeon is stressed. That's right. I think that is... I've had a... And I think I'm all right at that, is I've had quite a few people... I've said at the end of operations, "Hey, I was pretty stressed out. I didn't know what was gonna happen. I, you know, trying to follow our steps," and everyone's like, "Oh, I couldn't even tell." Yeah. Sometimes you do need to make people aware when there's stressful things going on 'cause oft- there's a bit of music and everyone's relaxed, and you're going through your steps, and sometimes you just need to tell everyone, "Right, turn the music off." Music off. Yeah. "Listen in. These, this is what's gonna happen. These are our next 10 steps." Um- Yeah ... and so, you know, any form of way of getting to that calm situation I think is really good. I do have a specific question, though, for you. Mm-hmm. What kind of torrential bleeding is it possible to see- [laughs]