This was before live streaming, after all.

I think if that had been done, for example, at Wembley, you know, all eyes would be there.

And there was a certain amount of, I guess, kind of privacy around it.

I think it was lovely because Istanbul allowed...

the girls particularly, to play with ideas.

But even at the top of their game, they were still the same girls that that room full of industry bots had fallen in love with.

They weren't ever overly polished when you look back.

And I think that was a massive appeal.