
Ekin Dogus Cubuk
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Oct 8, 2026
Synthesis Superintelligence: from Semiconductors to Superconductors — Periodic Labs’ Liam Fedus and Ekin Dogus Cubuk
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20:01Brandon AndersonHOST
So can you explain what is a phase transition, and then why is this, like, a helpful signal for something like an RL environment?

Ekin Doğuş ÇubukGUEST
Uh, I mean, I think the, maybe the one that people can most easily relate to in their life is, uh, ice melting probably or water boiling.

Ekin Doğuş ÇubukGUEST
Like, you know, you increase the temperature of ice, and it still looks like ice, and it behaves like ice, but there's a certain temperature at which it just stops raising its temperature and then turns into liquid.

Ekin Doğuş ÇubukGUEST
Um, another one that's very relevant to us, of course, is the Ising model.

Ekin Doğuş ÇubukGUEST
Uh, and I think computer science and mathematicians also study this maybe under different names, but basically, uh, you can have spins up and down, and they have different interaction terms if they're both up versus one is up, one is down.
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Ekin Dogus CubukGUEST
Yeah, I mean, so actually Liam and I worked on this a bit when we were looking at the scaling laws for vision models.

Ekin Dogus CubukGUEST
Like the in-domain generalization and the auto-domain generalization are monotonically correlated, but it's not linear necessarily.

Ekin Dogus CubukGUEST
And so what that means is you can keep improving your model and it will improve as the power law in-domain.

Ekin Dogus CubukGUEST
And for other domain tasks, by which I mean, as Liam said, the things that you're trying to do is a bit different than what's in your training set.

Ekin Dogus CubukGUEST
It will also improve the power law, but the slope of the power law may not be good enough.

