What, what, what about either virology or mass spectrometry or, or yeah, whatever, right? W- w- what, what's the motivator to get you out of bed in the morning where you're like, "Yeah, can't wait to get in there"?

Um, so, so started and, um, like, still there was just this is a...

How, how these viruses replicate is still unknown.

Like, we've known the basics of it for decades, but the details and how it actually is regulated is still unclear.

And so I, I first started working on that about 2014, and I got hooked then and sort of still now.

But I think increasingly now it's sort of seeing elements...

I've always done very fundamental science, and it's now seeing elements of the lab's work that could actually meaningfully be [laughs] useful to people, um, more, more translationally, so sort of starting to actually move some of our stuff towards of, um, translation-

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