You know? [laughs] So she, I think, um, I, I consider her a very important mentor in my life.

I have, I have the example of an extreme.

So, so I mean, I had...

And, and I think it might have informed the way that I, that I mentor.

I mean, I had a really bad PhD advisor, my original one, to come to extent that basically I just left the lab and I, and I went to another lab.

And again, the guy that basically took me into his lab, Sheldon Hendricks, uh, who passed away a couple years ago, and Shelo was incredible scientist and, and a really good friend.

And, you know, and, and what was really interesting is the, his manage, his style, right? So I have this, and again, Sheldon Hendricks kind of combo of how I basically view, um, you know, dealing in a lab.

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