Grr.

Um, [laughs] yeah, then I, I forgot when I was a, a, a teenager, I, I became a, a basketball player, and I forgot totally about reptiles and frogs and stuff.

And sadly, I lost some opportunities, uh, when I was a teenager because of that, because I was so focused on other, on, on other type of shit.

And then I, uh, when I, when I get to see what career I was going to do in college, uh, my sister told me about biology because s- she has a friend which is Teresa Baneri, which is an herpetologist from Bolivia whi- which work in conservation of the Andean water frogs.

And I get to work in the Natural Museum for Cochabamba, and yeah, then I fall in love again with [laughs] amphibians and reptiles, and then I forgot about basketball.

Uh, what would you say is the best method of herping in Bolivia? Would it be hiking, uh, road cruising, and would that vary based on the habitat?

Yeah, it, it, it varies between the, between the habitats.

Eh, I did try a lot of road cruising in Bolivia.