So how much do the colleges possibly play a role in this?

Yes, I think the colleges have an important role to play in this.

Some of that has to do with the social nature of learning and the environment that the college frames for students.

Some colleges, as we all know, have been, uh, have developed reputations as party schools.

So obviously that sort of, uh, [laughs] environmental influence can definitely impact the way a student progresses through the, their education.

But I think the, the idea behind what I'm working, doing when I work with families is to say regardless of the college, uh, impact and the environment of that particular college, a student can take it upon himself or her- herself to find a path forward, even if, um, certain aspects of the college experience may not support that.

For example, the student can develop, and sometimes it could be a role play, but we can develop with students a comfort level for them to go to talk to professors so that they are getting help from the appropriate sources on campus that they might otherwise be a little bit afraid or intimidated to, to avail themselves of.

Apart from the financial aspect of the concept of finishing the degree, why else does a student benefit from earning that degree in four years?