Where did it start? How did you, as a, dare I say, a young police officer, many, many years ago, was the love of technology always there?

Absolutely.

And it kind of happened by accident, actually, Steve.

You know, when I started police work in 1989 in the United States in the Washington, D.C. area, you know, I started on the police force where we were carrying revolvers, six bullets only, no bulletproof vests, no armor.

Because back then, you know, people just didn't shoot at the police back then.

Your police car and your uniform did the majority of your work.

And then as I transitioned over to a municipal police agency, I was walking down the hallway one day, and lo and behold, a new technology in deflating tires during high-speed police pursuits was just emerging.

So what sort of technology are people looking at to help with that?

Yeah.

You know, it took me nine years to walk away from music, to walk away from everything, to get sober.

You know, I went to five, four rehabs and one mental institution to fix me.

I think it's a big part of naming the band me.

You know, Mark and Ed, we've both been through the same thing.

So we named the band perfectly me.

I found this pen.

That's what's going to happen.

What is this?

I'm sorry, Mike.

I'm sorry.

That's it.

That's all I got.

The only reason why I'm so like that, like I can't choose, that's a dad thing because my dad taught me to never choose a kid more than the other.

Anyway, but for me, it was like sitting in the car with my wife, listening to the album from beginning to end without talking, timing it, doing that whole thing.

and sorry

Go ahead.

We're all, we're all on the tism here.

Anyway, for me, speaking of my, for myself and not for the band, It was just good to get a lot of weight off of my shoulder after walking away for like nine years.

And I just had a lot of old riffs and a lot of new riffs.

And Marky had his shit, and it just blends right together.

For some reason, it just, you know, like me and Mark is like best friends.

You know, we're like brothers.

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