essentially.

people are like oh you don't need to listen to it if you don't like it i was like well this is something i thought i'd throw myself in i'm gonna hear and take everything in that i can it's 18 weeks of something that i might never ever get to do again in my life or whatever and so going off that yes i didn't listen to every episode the biggest thing was i was like you got four main podcasts what for crap is obviously the pinnacle of that and I reckon on each last episode, they're probably going to do a summary of the season.

I'd be really interested to hear that.

And then obviously they did their summary and then just decided to do that final nail in the coffin about ripping into me and whether people think that's bad, like how deep it was.

And I was like, you know, that's just enough to finally let me go, you know what, I'm going to give my 10 cents.

The biggest thing that I did from that wasn't actually going after them.

It was going after people who watch the show and especially listen and watch them.

Your message got lost.

You can say whatever you want.

Well, after, when the show finished, well, la- actually, I'll go even further back.

On the last episode, Jenna and I, uh, sat in my cabin for, like, four hours that night just chatting away.

Even producers were like, "Can you two go to fucking bed, please," or something, because we were just chatting loads, and it was really nice 'cause the air got completely cleared and it was really, really good, and we kinda just left that as is.

And then after the show finishes filming, you do, like, the social me- you film social media and things like that.

And we're in the hotel and, oh my gosh, just so much stuff happens in the hotel.

You gotta bring back, um, the previous-

Yeah.

What is your take, like, looking back on it now?

now?I've looked at both sides of things.

Like, you see it now, like, I remember watching when, seeing after the text message being, and when Jenna got really upset, like seeing in the, um, confessionals and things like where she cried.

I, you feel shit because, like, I never would like to make someone upset.

Like, I'm not sitting there excusing it, but that very, very drunk text message was the only time I thought, "Oh, shit, that's not actually really nice.

I've put, you know, someone else's feelings hurt there." So y- you see, I've seen it from all perspectives now.

Initially you only see it from your own, and things like that.

Yeah

I saw on the Bravo TV website that you've worked with Gail Cameron before and that Danny Warren is a friend of a friend.

Yeah, so Gail was a really funny one.

It was on my yacht that I was working on in Australia.

and we needed a temporary stewardess for a two day, I think it was a two day trip or one day trip.

She turned up and I immediately recognized her because I was only about a week before that.

I'd just been given the green thumb to go below deck.

So I wasn't, I'm not hugely savvy with like the below deck world.

Were you a theater kid?