And in the meantime, Ed, you tell your story in Pepperdine.

Well, I practiced law for 40 years in Washington, D.C., with a major law firm worldwide.

And my first wife had cancer, multiple myeloma, and I was bereft of support and anyway I was by this point not just practicing law but I was also teaching the law school at the University of Chicago and at George Mason University in Virginia and in the course of my work I hired in my law firm Ken Starr and he then became the Dean at Pepperdine the law school and and it is his wife that introduced joe and me in 2008 and

But I've got to ask, with very successful careers for each of you, and then you're busy with family and busy with your life, why homelessness? Why did the homeless crisis touch your heart? What brought you to that conversation?

First of all, I am new to Los Angeles, beginning in 2008, and I was shocked by the homelessness that's so pervasive in the community.

And I said, what's going on here? Why is this the case? Why so many? What can be done about it? Does anybody have records of success? Because it just seemed like the problem was blooming and getting more and more substantial.

And it was really the visits to your facilities that caused us, I think, to say, this is where we want to make a real commitment.

Because what we saw is not people who were drinking, taking drugs, What we were finding were people that were making lifelong commitments.